Theomatics

[DrGreen]

At the risk of violating forum discussion rules, I will attempt to ask the opinion of Theomatics to this collection of analytical VSF minds.
Maybe I been just listening to too much late night radio but I'm curious to this crowds opinion. Not exactly new topic but new for these here forums.
http://www.theomatics.com/theomatics/proof.html


See the movie Pi. They do a good take on crunching the code.
http://www.pithemovie.com/

"If you forgo scientific method you are no longer a scientist, you're a numerologist."

Is it real?
If it's real, does it show the influence of a superior intellect on mankind or further demonstrate an underlining pattern that is in all things, both, or neither, & what else?

[Canadian Hick]

They did a great job of reinforcing my belief, and I disagree with everything they say. :roll:

[Crazy Hobbit]

At the risk of violating forum discussion rules, I will attempt to ask the opinion of Theomatics to this collection of analytical VSF minds.
Maybe I been just listening to too much late night radio but I'm curious to this crowds opinion. Not exactly new topic but new for these here forums.
http://www.theomatics.com/theomatics/proof.html


See the movie Pi. They do a good take on crunching the code.
http://www.pithemovie.com/

"If you forgo scientific method you are no longer a scientist, you're a numerologist."

Is it real?
If it's real, does it show the influence of a superior intellect on mankind or further demonstrate an underlining pattern that is in all things, both, or neither, & what else?

My uncle I think was mentioning something about this to me. He is the kind of guy who thinks (and I agree) those "Bible code" books are absolutely aborrent. But he had a couple books by some guy and I think this is what he was tallking about which he was trying to explain was totally apart from the "code" books.

He said after going through the couple of books (by the author I can't recall), especially after an analysis of a passage in the book Isiah, that it has totally reinforced his faith, which to me knowing my uncle means a great deal to me. I'll have to check up on this Green as this is probably the 2nd time in two weeks I've read about it.

:D

[ignus]

for those of us that are up way too late web designing, plz summarize what that reallllllly long site said :D

[RuperT]

I tried to figure this out, but suddenly my brain associated this with my 'Intro to Probability and Statistics' course in college, and refused to process further. I've mentally blocked out everything but the interesting 'Probability' portion of that course (which we exhausted about 3 days in); I did manage to retain the phrase 'Rho Distribution', though.
I must say, though, that this 'method' seems like an obfuscatory explanation of some trivial or fundamental 'phenomenon'; ie, the phrase 'Jesus' appears more often in the Bible than it does in a series of random characters of equal length. Please, edify!
Also, inasmuch as any man can know God's purpose, I thought the only irrefutable evidence we would be given as to His existence would be our own.

[SauerKraut]

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Theomatics. mmmhmm.


Before I give you MY opionion, let me give you my disclaimer:

" The statements below are not to be thought of as trying to squash an individual's Faith. Just this theory. This is the sole opinion of the author. Void where prohibited. One coupon per person per visit. See Store for details."

You know, if you analyzed ANY work of literature long enough, placing numerical values to the letter variables for instance, you'd come up with all kinds of things too. They claim it only works with the testaments of the Bible. Of course it only works with the Bible! They thought up the meanings of the numbers specifically FOR the Bible. All the words in a phrase adds up to 3500. so? omg, 3500 must be something special! Let's assign a value to it. Bam! Theomatics was born. You do know, don't you, that the "inventor" of theomatics knew Timmothy Leary personally, don't you? So, a Christian Mathematician takes the Brown Acid at the Monterey Pop Festival one night, and for a week he was laid up at the hospital coming up with this theory. Lovely.

The only reason you can't disprove this theory, is because they structured the theory around it being so. It's easy to come up with a theory that can't be disproved. The trick is, coming up with a theory that can be PROVEN! Which, in all scientific objectionability, it cannot be. Because that would prove the existence of God and you cannot prove the existence of God. Wish we could, but we can't.

Give me a break. This theory has been the laughing stock of scientists since 1975 or something.



let me scoff at this just a bit...

Mathematics professors were consulted from one of the largest universities on the West coast of the United States. On numerous major theomatic patterns the p factor (probability) of the clustering is 1 chance in trillions, i.e. 0 probability.

The clustering phenomenon, by itself, scientifically validates the whole theomatic concept. The results are positively staggering.


Um, sorry. 1 chance in a trillion is not zero probability. This is exactly the kind of "number fudging" that goes on with these kinds of do-it-yourself science. Might as well be a scientologist and fly around in a plane with Travolta.

[Crazy Hobbit]

***THREAD STABILITY IS NOMINAL THUS FAR***

ouch my faith got squished :lol:

[RuperT]

***THREAD STABILITY IS NOMINAL THUS FAR***

ouch my faith got squished :lol:
No, your faith would only get squished by actual proof.

[Chairman_Kaga]

I stopped reading after a couple minutes. It hurt.

Besides, Robert Langdon proved the bible is a political smear campaign against Mary Magdalene. Sheesh.





wonders how many read Da Vinci Code

[Geri_Arctic]

This Bible code thing also assumes that the message/proof is embedded in the current edition of the Bible. This book has been edited many times.

[Chairman_Kaga]

This Bible code thing also assumes that the message/proof is embedded in the current edition of the Bible. This book has been edited many times.
I thought I read they went back to the Hebrew & Greek texts from the Dead Sea Scrolls and somewhere else. However, those are only the oldest known copies. They are still not the originals. If I remember correctly w/o going to look things up, the Dead Sea Scrolls are still thought to date from hundreds of years AFTER Christ's death. Therefore cannot be considered word for word exact copies.

Quite honestly, the fact that they make that assumption invalidates their entire theory.



BTW - I have just proven that Stephen King IS God. If you read the Dark Tower series backwards and make z=1, x=2.... Every sentence equals... ah crap, an exception. Need to go back and try another set of numbers. BRB

[TedHershey]

I thought they had found similar results with War and Peace? Do they use the Protestant/Jewish old testament or the Catholic OT? I thought the roots of "bible code" were from the Kabbalah?

[Geri_Arctic]

This Bible code thing also assumes that the message/proof is embedded in the current edition of the Bible. This book has been edited many times.
I thought I read they went back to the Hebrew & Greek texts from the Dead Sea Scrolls and somewhere else. However, those are only the oldest known copies. They are still not the originals. If I remember correctly w/o going to look things up, the Dead Sea Scrolls are still thought to date from hundreds of years AFTER Christ's death. Therefore cannot be considered word for word exact copies.

Quite honestly, the fact that they make that assumption invalidates their entire theory.


Actually the Dead Sea Scrolls PREDATE Jesus by about a 100 years or so.

They were from a Jewish sect, the Essenes, that disappeared when the Romans arrived around 68 BCE, and there are similarities between their writings, and the later teachings of Jesus.